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The Biblical Recorder. PUBLISHEJ EVEBT "WEDSESnAY, EDWABDS.4BSOT7GHTON oVOO. Bffieaos rsyettevflle Strttt, Oppocttt Mark TERMS OP SXTSSCJiZPTJOjr ' : o;r i ;?:!? .,.; J , One copy, 0UjtU,.atitiiHiif2 00 On oopy, 4.x moaths,.'....if.. ..;.. 1 00 Clubs of fieylV,'i4..v..vi ..s,i..10 00 Qabol tev.-.i..;....,,..,,.,, 00 Remittances 'most ba tent by Registered Letter, Port-bffloe Ordav Express or Draft, payable to the order oi the PnhliBbeTav , . . . , , For the Beoorder. ntaisisCENSEs op my Tennessee Conference w .uAfiJZ--4jiZnew Joriatw--, Jaiw JC PWfc Tiwbri to, FrJ( ConfmeeBig Mutter Adieu -' to .2Vn-' wtMM Oa jrnr amonjf the Methodittt of The annual gathering of. the toil worn .ministers , in . Conference; was' always a grand jubilee occasion.' The last session of this Conference which I attended was in the city of Nash ville. -I was to. me ,aC very solemn meetiog, because. I had -determined to leave Tennessee;, not because ! had become alienated from my breth ren or from my work, for such, dwas not the fact;, not tbatVX might, fal low the strong tide of, emigration, to t be west j but ,to1 reverse,, the ;iobt?, steps of my youth back to the sunny. eaat. i Mor , tban? one , magnet 'waa j drawing idq DaetoUiejCiearoia spot of my birthft,rqngdtod,j4 were the tiea thatboand ma.VTeo, nessee, a stroogeVppyeran lall this waa drawing , me 4ack Wold fefa or wigniv ol wcd-.ffmn -ji It was at .this ?Gonierence 1 saw, for the first time that great chieftain and statesman, Andrew Jack son. Tottering with the weight ot old age and rts: iri2rmtti&, he had come from the Hermitage: to tbeojty to visit: tbeConereBCA fnIleajiraa seated in the altar for the purpose o shaking hands with ,the preachers.; As they approached) one at the tipie, he gave to, each; ai-hearty .grasp s, the hand, with a polite bo.w Ajyefr eran of the. Crp$a carpet forwrt tears running down hia. farrpwed cheeks,; j exclaiming,-, ; Qtt?m j .,deav OeDeral M foasht ploder yoa iit the war witk tb 1-. Xadiana. .f, JacksoQ took bis hand aad wept, ..and .'be Conference tqeUiadGea- eral and the hnrabla private the .ex President of the natioa aod, the sb4- score eabject embraced In each oth- er's arms. On thia side the last riv- i er, I 8 hook hands with the old hero, a sinner Raved by graca. ,I.hope;tO greet him again on the other, side, among the glorified spirits that snr roond the . throne.f it' ;.' Another public event of considera ble interest transpired at ,tbU. Con ference. 1 mean the inauguration of James K. Polk as Governor of Tefi-j nessee. The services took place in tbe first Presbyterian church. Spe cial seats were reserved for members of the Legislature and members of the Conference. After a few part ing remarks from ex-Govt Carroll, Mr. Polk came forward and delivered a very fine inangaral addrefs. ' I waa Btracfe by tbe contrast te- tween the opening and the- closing prayed The one was offered by Dr. Ji. . O. Xloweli, : of the, Baptist Ohnrcb. It was an elegant piece of composition, read from a manuscript ' 1 1 1 - 1 , -.ii, . 111- it ;, iv 1 . 1 i , . . 1 hi , ... 1 1 11 ' ; .j.Tt; .vi;?! w) jwcyi v ..., ..yjVi.J ''J ' Sy c 'i f S vTxteJOiian of the Nortli Caroaptistil f Devoted1 to Bible M Agriculture and General.,; -I";4, ?: ;v; .uBAtimGH,.ir.?.jusrB 11, 1879. 1 5 ingle they were disappointed and 1 think.a little grieved as well, because' in. those days it took, more to feed two' than one. We had two comfort able homes in VWiUiamsburg and Ham p ton v Resides these two towns, preached ,at , aqma jnternjediate, places. Thay ear passed pleasantly1 until the billions' fever, an enemyrl hever before , had' encountered,: laid me lowrj I ,vas nnable.to preach du ring. .the. ensuing winter. By. the spring I : had rallied a little,' and started with wife and child and nurse for my: second appointment on I the Mnjfreesboro pircuit. -;,8trange to' isayi-my horse 'refused to go. beyond t ha Hill tSwamp .Baptist Church. After -worrying ,vr ith him half a dayJ. and making only siVmiles, the . ob-i spulonsjanunaij.stopped, in the. middle of a swamp and rih6t ' :o5sti-J sately declinedj9 move another tttep.. I got out and constructed a bridge of fence .railajitomrJoa tbuggy,xo "the aore, ana got my mue iuuiy, pn dry erotuad , I. finally coaxed.' the fedatrary beast oaf of th6 water; bt turning hWjhead the other, way;' pit tie didil know thatvthat" was to tte tba laat-of my riding ' the Circnit. jTired and.Thalt -jsick. I spent rtbe tight.with osiah polleipahgood1 Baptist) deacon ,-and 'atyery. nobjd and remarkable, .man 'M his day. The good deacqn insisted there? Hvas: aometning ominous anot propueuc m toe strange manbuyrea of U)at horse ThaUher horeewas ad JtnjwflRng. W carry me beyond the Bapyit J chur'bh' where he had of tenf stopped on Bu)?-1 davi.that" he should stob in"1 the swamp near py the chnrth a(3d obm was to ;0 rtol in a la crr intn thA thVieaicoim tottojQ jpjE j my iiqtjt in that 'directloti. eeent iand.;.Jwas, cbntroTliOar! the ae- tlonaof fhat hprse to , lead ' me-intd te path, of duty, X :was:, Yerjr moctt amused at tlie good .prpw spa- iattoBB, bat quite skeptical as to the troth of hia interpretations. - ; : : The worry, and , fatigne and the wetting of -hat memorable day, threw me into a ieyer, aud i was in poor health daring '1 the whole of the i ensuing summer. . I notified, my pre-1 siding elder of. my inability to fill myj appointment, and that he had better supply the place with some one else. !? Before this year had passed away I was baptized into the fellowship of the vMilltVSwampj, Church, near the place where that balking horse re-f fused to carry me on the circuit.' ; How this change in my church re lations was brought about,' I will un dertake to tell in another article. : Rkuben Jones. ; Churchland, Va: ' j '"'-!i v ' 1 1 ' ' ' m i i .i i i i i i i . For the Recorder. A WISE CHUBCH. -A. certain ebnrch grew alarmed' by tbe larger proportion , of baptized members that Droved by their walk The otw wa9 maift by Bishop An- alid eouVfifMoa they, were not re U .V: i wi . I genera tea. , Aiany neeaea to be ex- nu.uo vn.ou up " " i caael, and saauer Dy tar, many into the ears of Ieity ; -A.nd then 1 cmiitxr rf no Aatbrclciricr kin. nvn no the feryen' petitions wererolled up evidence whatever, of spiritual life, to the divine Anidne On ' tf ifeS'f fTh'.sa Ua.A rtAftHuJ IAA. tllA AhiHrAll ; hearty amf - I tben felt, and still Lr .ti.. . - ipl. reel, that while -tb former style ot praying may please some people and pram full church meeting.' Of bourse the church' reserves to itself the final de cision, and ho one Is received until Toted upon in regular churchy meet ing,. - -tt,t a, 1 This" was wite, but the special wis dm ot the church was shown, in the composition ofthe commit tee,: -The gushing, excitable members weroleft off!' the loud talkers and shouters, and bustlers around in tha :protract ed ' meeting. & With . one exception they- were t all - the, moat spiritual christians in that church j men and women whose piety made ; itself felt Wherever they were. You have lcnownt uch-r-wbo8e: religion shone in.their faces, whom a stranger meet-' in? in k ftrowd" wonld know to be qhristlans without their Speaking ' a word on religious subiect(, How ea ally they could have made a commit- myself, it was to them a. rich repast, f A feast of teaioa and a flow of onL i I 'in connectfonwlth5 'the 'music; which was very flnr ta' lecturer, first serious,; then humorous, held his audience spell-bound for over an hour.1' i " - '""- wf" i;l ub 1 "t j The main idea advanced was that a man should first find out what i ha was called to da and then do it. , Be true to the calling' which Providence seemed to have fitted bim for, wheth er that was to make, bricks , or make laws. Ee s did not , imagiue ,that a man who was, fitted, only, to make bricks was adapted to the more mm laws, anv more than a crow coma lake the place of an eagltt, or a snail that of a race-horse.; vk:" 'He Said " that the1 mistake a tee otthe blgmembew-the wealthy many '" tA.w aAuuA w.t.ul I choosinfforofesslons and occupations among the number tbere were louna fk targe? let ot ptwpteaohra.-i if! He gave very ramoaingi aooount pi hig Own mistakes as he considered them. r First, be had passion; for. and he thoaguc ne wouia :diatin8W8h;hkn&elf., in that .Jane. were aDDroacnine plans laid for their capture&c we to inier inas xais iauy wao a yuu lic speaker, or: that ' the harangued. tbjOWUOfe brigade f ,1 f v4 Mary, a wbrnan we are old aV commissioned by Christ to proclaim teach, or speak to 'the. Apostles, the eloriousewaot his; Fceanrreotion uad shall we atbp theicBuatba now T If it had been wrong for a woman to teach men, would Christ have com- , mitted, such a blunder r Bro. P. knows very well that (here Is a'rery .wide difference between Mary's ruu :nihfir to tell the ;diaciplespf Christ's" ! resurrection," and 'addressing' a, oofr gregation of people. - ! ' Bro. P. Informs ' us that Christ and his Apostles did hot ignore wo' men in tbe spread of the gospel. All of which we admir. 'He claims. that his position finds sopport In the first ana second cnapters or Actsrna they were all filled .with , the. Holy Ghost, and beeau to SDeak with other tbnenes as the Holy Ghost eavethem constitntiobl7 Morirf In iabv. J htn, a pteacbernoone doubts his JflSAn-Sfi AiT. Iff1 Wri rABil ) Ai k tv.r 4 . i jrifra, t mnnaaa oja an nranr rT . ! Wltn OtnCT tOneOeS d8 'W6II B.S 1116 ZT?JZ?x?JrrZ,"CL3"l?r-i TT-ZZZXZr- men- Peter, for thir tofn.fTtt. ones,' Who would hare considered it a' want of charity to doubt the convert ion of "one" who" eame; before" them torofesslog love jtHml)''"??-0-I IThera waa one exception' oon the tommUteene' man who Was not ft".1 remariibfeor nis great "piety, t di W&Mgi a.IAU Uir.- .u,j v t i d latin rai know what 1 meant he was not one of thole christians whom a sinner on his death-bed wpnfd send for to prayi ior mm, 1 wonaerea at nrec ina& ne was on the' li8t;1ut the chnrob was wiser than L , He w as astnuch rieed-; od as the Others. They were' t judge of,the cotrsipu'br tlxe' eandidates,' well crrounded in the 'faith.'11 A man 01 ciear neaa.-tnoroogniy nnaersrana eclipsing even the,. lame of au.01e Ball and a Paganin, bat - he Jailed. He then tried law, but 'finding that he could not make,: himself 'either a" Webster qr a Clay, he,qult thati ;He then took to school-teaching," tried it awhile ,an6V becoming, dlsghsted,5 went into politics, bat too glad Was he to get out of the 'dirty pooland almost in despair, he welcomed war's dread alarms and " played soldier awhile;3 Finally, lie dropped into tbe ana lecturer, wnica occupies. city.ttI augwer, that thia Is all X wish tOplpve.'' Why does Bro, P with to prove that, for it is plainly stated that she spake unto ,tha men of .the city.; Ho.one has ever, called" that tn ' question. But we do call in question; the right . ofr'women to pfeach or speak in the ch archest a right which be la trying to prove from Scripture, it &W language 1 meanaJ anything at all. ' Shall we say tohe female mem bers of our churches that they ought to preach1 the .goapelfbecanae this woman ran into the city and told the men about her haying met Jesus 1 We read of a lady who rode fa to the encampment oCan mefican general cult and responsible work of making Und told him anoVhJs command (hat cue unusn were approaching ,witn When Paul refers 'to' this -kind of service.' he nses a very different ex- presslon.'aa in Terse 6, Greet Mary, nuvr vvoiu w wa uiuvu 1 m wa .j va- Thia was personal; the others evan gelicaV'..Bro P failed to consult his Greek Testament when he penned these last lines ; for if he wiU look at the arlgiaal, he wilt find the word which ia : translated HboreoV in the i3j2tb) verse t )9 f the same , which is jtranslated.bestowed.labor In tber6th! terse. fPhlf:;: 3 Is quoted as set--tling: all doubt about this matter t: f Help these women whioh labored with me In the; gospel, with Clement also, and' with' others ot my fellow UtbonnI:iM:fkiimi!hal; i I -Says he f M Whatever might be the oabt as to the fdrte of tbe reference bote toi Triphena.-. &o i laborio e in ' heLordi it-BhairfiIl;ivani3h; here.M. These s women are put npon the ame footing as ClemenVand as la rs with Paul himself, not as tent makers,5 making garments, cooking Ivfettals &eJ .We. will turn to Luke 51 Master, ; bare toiled 'alf; more dah ererous ih a church than tbe i leaven Of iaira aoctnne i ana mors j Uirht. and have taken nothing." &o. Now,' if bo will look into the original,, he will ' find ? that the: same word is, translated toiled there that is trans-; lated labored in Phil 4: 3. n , fWile i't' may not mean cooking, vlctuala,' &c.f yet it may be nsed to Bignlfy an effort to procure something CO cook; -His theory here falls to the ground,' and not' a doabt vanishes. Let bnrbrothertnrn to the 3rd Epi (le of John ' and "read; beginning at the 5 th verse.'ahd he will find that those who extend :bofpitality , to tbe mlniatering brethren and: help them on their way; are fellow-helpers to ifaeteuin-: a'ti xj-juts-zntd i fa V'fH) -J :Ht" fri.fi V-.-. . ... I feeble church; wkere the sisters -had I io teach the.of asses in Sunday School : anu. raise iua saoscripcion te pauorg j salary,, ..ana Bee; tnat it 1 tui paid. es are mean t,Tor7alvinistiS4ptisCs nrtr fnv man rtf 1T ah ad pa nf hiliflf. who wi8hHtoe immersed. He is,' better keefl himself away from the be8ides.-the -most rwins-takine of I lectnrer'ftBtand. I have never known inenY h6!cmints no time nor labor: pne yet who did not suiter by iw wasted ' that may s advance Christ a kingdom on earth. - After the other! members of the committee have tho-l roaghry satisfied themselves that tbe candidates are converted, he begins his labors. ;, ; s ; w-r . . . a . . . a L A fs .HB Knows xnat an Armenian or . a Universalist may be genuinely con verted, but he i knows, too, that in side a Baptist church is no place for such persons, however sound they may be on baptism and communion, lie is as zealous for .'thy whole truth as Pan!, and has as great a detesta tion of f also doctrines as Christ show ed in the messages be Bent" to the seven churches. Errors he labors to correct; he reasons, prayfljpersnades, exponnds. Bnt if hia efforts fail, then be' reports to the committee "unBOnnd, and they say gently to the candidate tbat ma viewa are not suited to the Baptist charch. Some times tbe candidate gets angry and goes off in a hurl, whereupon the committee congratulate themselves It was my privilege 5 to hear Dr. Hawthorne preach '.also, and on the. same day with Dt, Jf A. Broad as, and while the former may be said to have been a sagar-coated crumb t with a few decorations on the out side, that of the latter was sngar all through. It was sweet to the taste, and went down deep into the heart, producing an inspiration there, and leading one to say " Let the sweet hope that Christ is mine, My life and death attend, His presence through my journey shine,' And crown my journey's end.; . For to me to live is Christ." , -'-' Jtoo. For the Keoorder. WOMEN FBEACHEBS. yonr young men sbail see and your old men ...shall . dream dreams, &v And. :on my eervants, and on my handmaidens, I will poo out of my spirit ;iu those days, and they shall prophesy &c.l,a J J.i j All who read the Acts of tbe Aros ties are convinced tbt.. tbe Holy Spirit was poared oat on tbe day of Pentecost in effulgence and power upon aunesn,oia and yoang.maieand female, bond and free, in fulfillment of the prophecy of Joel. All the prophecy -eeelng visions, dreaming dreams, and speaking with other tongues, manifested the presence and power of the Holy Spirit.; Bach pal- paDie demonstration was needed tbeir-iiroonnjrmins-tbe iaitb ot the early church, and for a witness to all isy ,.: and I male and fern ale, w bo are- -fellow-t yisionij Uooreis in the1 gospel are preachersj or may or ongnt to preaob, it ts mora than probable that they would have asked me to (( step down and ont" j In bringing forward the Scriptures above cited, our brother betrays a consciousness of the weakness of his cause. " ' - ik i He comes at last to the only pas sage of Scripture which ' seems at a glance to oner any support to his position., , 1 Qor. 11: 5 : But every woman praying or prophesying with her bead uncovered, dishonoreth her head," && . This is the main text ot Scripture that is quoted in support of women's preaching or teaching1 in; public. If one will read the first 18 verses o this . chapter, he will find that the,. Apostle is rebuking, the of the mid' i Ohriatutnw. , They, liad ura mor&i ni . npngut tZnxaa the; ask neTpr nwn pniltv oian?,, II 410, which Ul 1 fi wontdJead to exclusion.:. After, tha excitenieiiUh.e ESl1? !Wa j over. tthey; showed no Bayj Abba Father, ia tbafc tone old ' . kll nail (a atil in I ill UUIUlUllJ lHillll ill! latter is ioe una of pisyer (ow avails m08t Vlth G0(L ' ( v'- ff?an!jF j X songbt an opportamty when the Bishop was alone and asked himi to give me ; transfer, to the;; .Virginia' Conference. He. said, J I will Bend christians learn toinof Wdteprize;' yon to Texas or Arkansas,- or. any tot The1 fpttrtnts i jrevr ra4ar med Thejt the frontier States, where there ial fctiew that the: woralicjaae imaginable great demand for preacher?, but they- 'folf'ntfttnwtryto don't need you , in Virginia .meyi liadral habkaj us:;inside tha church. are overrun with preachers m that j There Htbb no use in -appealinto the Conference now." After .sonie heap tation he granted my. request, BBd added Ab, Benben, there is sorfaiB undercurrent carrying! yon to jVtr giniaJ' ' v.-.-. j 'gall While making preparations for my journey to Virginia I attended a gen eral muster to see my fellow-cltizens ot Smith oounty, and to 'boy me a horse. :. After tha military, parades was over,' and.the people had tasted freely of tiie whiskey, the 5 old-ashi ioned flaticuft fighting commenced; The contagion spread ontil some for ty or fifty men werf mauling, gougv ing and. cutting each other at a fear-. fal rate, -i On and on the angry .strife 1 raged until some hundred or more ' were 'engaged1 in the fight, ! Such yelling and pulling of hair, such rolU ing and tumbling, such whanging " with sticks and slashing with knives, I never saw before. iMany;swere ae ' nously, soma mortally iWOundedVi f . , - Havmg -Obmpleted - my , outfit X atarted on horseback with" two othen native-born , Virginians, oil adurney of -six hundred:, and fty ; mlled to wards theeast. We completed the trip . withonrr any-serious casualty. I read Bro. Purefoy's defence of women preachers in last week's Bg cordeb, and aa it is the most plausi ble vindication of woman's richt to ..a ' A. A.Sl ha hflv wm mw n ft nieiT mm mm in nnb nc oa mare reaa, i watt iuvj umiv wwvs t-w fw"f " I UIVUVU IH Mini f - " - - - i i i x i i . I . ucjwucu vu3 cuurcu. . ouiuu i -b- gnacA for & renlv He sacays I woold allow, oar eve insist Va .- w-vvn An s kvnl inQQ ana, BIUUy iue quesnoa prayer- i prophesy publidy or privately, ; be- va sjr vuwtvu. huu iui tm rribuvoq w aasa I avvacs v tuo Anobio aa tcuuaiuK tuu the world, women And senrants did member of the church at QorintQ under the extraordinary influences of 1 for their manner of publio worship.' iuo noiy opine, speaK tne praises ot God, and foretell fa tare events, and commQDicatG the DiTioe will. M so far aa we know, they might have uone so in uae - presence of . many or few... Sat, as Lr. Barnes says, this uoes not auinonze women to prop he lla recognizes tbe fact that the wo men in tbat ebnrch took part in the public Benice, bat be does not stop cause esy publicly or -privately,1 be- iiiLk iftii BiflBtRrJi iiaoi. to say in this connection whether it is right or wrong for them to prav or prophesy in public. He attends to bat one thing at a time.. And seeing rpeo were in toe puoiic assemblies without their veils the ooveloe for their heads- wtthoat Kivine nv intimation a ts whahaK. it is right or wrong- for then to-pro- ft one occasion (Pentecos WlUUe to all frenerationa tbe last I in publio, be condemns it (thel days-i- 'No one claims that .these I covered beads) &3 a violation of all miraealoaB t(iltsr tha Holv Ghoat I the rnlea of modMrt aml anhnrHiho nay ox A entecost,- i tton. fAtri is here not sayinf; word rii f lav eaoal claim to ln.niral - sxtjrB i Dureiy tne propbe cy ot Joel was not to end with this fin ii i V, r y 4,t t a irmt rftrrifHl I k.aa n,nni,....o. r I BUU wlla ne aay or X'entecost- i tion. L'. r'.T: WO iuw v.m Wfthavftframnlesftfrthe Mtranrdi. aeainst the riebt of women to apeak daatrinai I i..in.lnrtfc . . HaMaK i 1 w WiTr. . t v . K ... V niJ ::s' loae wba d:; iSXBSSSMuS nary.gifte of the Holyjpirit in work- f tt pnWl After twenty-fouryears of toiling and : rambling among tha hills of Tennea ' raee I found myself back again at the Sm starting point This 'reminds; me of ' a remark of Dri William Jtcoper, of . ' ; North Carolma.- Speaking jof Ube i rambllngpropensi ties of some preach- h era, ne saia, "xney are; m w wheninmrtUDLUno :matow; wide their circuithow. imanyfhow. f lohg how short their tecka, they are apt to come back to the place -'from After resting? some' monthsV witk f; kindred and: friends, I went -np to? armMlleViririnia,andwas receiv4 ed into the v irginia Annual uouter- j encev and sent by bishop" Waugb. to WilliamRhnr and Hampton Circuit. The new had reached! Ithe oircuit eran gelista who carried pp. ftbe, pro tradted meetings. -.What doe a troi fessional evangelist oare for .the tain of souls compared ta bi8)nnirig a goodly Humbert- of converts! The evangelists would preach a religion made easy, a "come for ward-give-mei Tour-handand-be-saved '' 'theology, than which infidelity is Iras danger ous. And the pastor; would stand by. in cowardly silence and let them thus dishdbor God 'anddestrpy ..souls, t In fact, the pastor himself was top much inclined to taking them - in ieasily,' He would aak.a child if. iti iloved Je sus who waa so good, to ..die, for it; and thh child i would sayyeaJust aa o ? would?ihaTa i, said a y es ir asked if it loved Gen.JLee wha fbnght for It, with just as much saying faith in one instance as In the other.! And then 'With his hand oa the little one's head he would say, "brethren, w hat will vou do with this little lamb that loves its Saviour. f,Bemember 'tha2' Jesus said except ye; be converted and become as little children ye caiK not enter the aingaom or, (.heaven Ignoring the fact that he di4 ndt My Except ye oe converted as, lituecnii i hev leant tne faun- once -deirvered I nin fn it - ? . . to thesainia'and 1 Umts thoroaehly I -And after dtioting Webster's dell. gronnaea.in sonna aoctnaesto join I nitionsof Droohevr. fatdnwi hiafln.!: iuo vmuu. awmr cuiwuann arorrimerit from the aaeoant stvaa n away byfl every wind r oi-doctrliie.' xney are not -among- those who ae- i Miriam. He claims to find support Bire teachers having ltcning ears. f0r his position n the speeches of the Tbey mace tne snre puiara upon, Mast two mentioned which: the oburcn rests securely. I i do not find . thai Why can t we have such committees I nroDheteases ever addressed or har . a. . 11 J it. I - 1 1 ' - : . . , . - . . m every ennren, ospeciajjy in inpse , i aneued the congregation of Israel. cursed (l mean just that) by the min,- i We read that Deborah judged Israel, intrationa of these conrtincr onlv.l xrhatoT mm tht tn indom moans tn . r. . ii,. " i .... nvv-tv. - .jr w . ovancftliat. Knf. sata RrnP'Bthis I fninina silenca nnon tbe women spoken (laleo again. LThe prophew were not pramem uur vuaite , 1 1 Bro.' Pi. says: w The circumstances restrict tha meanings to an improper speaking, because-?!, at wa3 restric ted to your women. ,i2. Thwe women were impliedly .j iosnbordinate, for they were . oom manded-, to .be. under obedience.? 3, They, were ignorant. ana It o they i Conld i learnj anything they must ask their' i husbands ;'at emaliHe lays theatres ou ?vovr QmetM A. certain, class -of Qor intbian women: perfectly understood by them,n &c.V Bat.he overlooks thO fact .that Paul saya "church,e8,', and jiot church, in connection' with the women: J-iet your women keep si lence in "tha cAttrc" and 7 hot bhhrcn. ,tl; . --i??ti,1ci-M s. There was but bhe church in Cor nrK " .n tatt ' aia aii'Aar) a A rA At Paul was aiming to? fcnjoin: silence jonly ttpoti a clais of P fgnorantrin subordinate womenat Catinth,why did he say ehurdhes, 'and (thus leave tne women oi am iue. cnuJcacs,.auu iii ain the! Bge, to-infer - that .they WAM WAV. WA Sae-kAA sr- InTMiKlia m - www aavv w vawBk-asau ui-asv ?3 a TO SJT -And In his Drst eptatle to Timothy, a yonng pastor at Ephesas, ho gives him tho tame instrnction t :(l.Let the women learn in silence, with all sub jection." This . young ; pastor is to teach ; the women of hia, charge tot learn, ia ailence for the same reason that the women at Corinth were to learn, in silence, viz; the law which places her in subjection'demaads iti Savs Bro. P. : Thev1 were Insnb. ordinate women, tor they. Were com manded to be under obedience." xes, they were commanded to behnder obedience as also saithHhe lawP Is Apt that law still In force of 'was it pnly a rule for the "lasubordinate' women bf Corinth t Ivet him ; take I hi? reference Bible, and be wilt find j waac mat law is fuen.-: -and that as thCJbnrcb t unhiml tn ; Christ, so the woman ts to be in nb- lection toWman. 'And it iseafeto '1 li -i' .' . 1. .LI ' inai every wDere, as 10DZE3 Christ is the head of the fihnmh. an Is tbe man the head of the woman, and so long is the woman to keep ai- lenoe in the eh arches. . This positive role, laid i down by tbe Apostle for all the chnrches, cuts off all speak ing in publio assemblies on the part of the women.: It has nothing to do with their teaching in Sabbath School or singing ia church. But she steps oat of her proper sphere, if in the congregation she becomes the speaker, or interrupts tbe publio worship by her questions In do iog so, : she shows a want of all proper modesty ', and; subordination which the law requires. ; . , ,Bm. P. concludes; by fnformiog ua that he shall not place any such rash construction upon the Scriptures un der consideration, r Others - can do so it taey choose. Well, if we have taken oar position rashly, we hare the comfort of knowing that we are not alone. ' From the time that Paol penned tbe Epistle down to tbe pres. ear, ice wnoie constian world, uatn- oltcs and Protestants, the Onakerfl. with a few fndividnals of reeent date, excepted,) have held -that women ought not to preach. It may be less Wi 9 WW$1 plain teacoioj of the New Testament and the uniform tieliefofaU tbehriatian.nf&ll mmoB for more than 1800 veats. and. take the interpretation of a small sect, - ... 1 ; receive ? ganizatlonj . V,;p fpnnd It out. ' : : i . I JJ,B. Bra GwaltntfrL 'about my lectur ihfftha cra-r ,herory) Sabbath,' Owing ' feeble health, I, have "jQot been ao.j as yet to give' them bnt two lectures on; orth Carolinar Please make correction.' '": fyM-- - - - ..i - 00HlTOrDX5 vsr 1 t V&fc 8. 8. Boitrd, mnd See. JTd Muio$. -9 Oaat fJuxfJtlsslonarles srettiofng. 1 1 Bra hS Pittnua represent the BspUrt l as t GUleapieB School Hou8ta.UiVCpe JearAaoeuUJfflnsii UMarPsao-Bputr eMamntkityia pebpl ' are - inteuigexa na jnueotnauy eolurated. My Aoomfitiofi ra larga sad attsntiraisna ; th pxwpeots ar( f srorsbte to scoompllah , lometHng for ths Muter, t- Aided by Her. J. r. Lehnoa, I organized churoh tbers (name1 Lebiinba) en usQt:SaJidy iA IfjLrohi.wiUi eight members. 'ir ThB little oburoh is mscte up of good material and win exert, a mighty ir. ' biflaeace for good la that qawter of Bladen, ootmtjr i-iii The churoh wUl build s. house da ring the year, tnoogh it may ba next fall. f'-Bra Pbikney Plirer preaches , at a aUUon in tht BnlahAooiationK north pf Oreensoor twgh. Ha wyS:;that,,hisoo good; ;vThe proepsct ia edoouraglDg it will require time and labor :i. to . take hold ;bi the people. '.Tbey. are to divided that it wul he bat4o Uke stops aiowly ,uv some ' matters They have a Union Bunday School whioh is ' well attendsd,: .Think yon woala do well, Bro. O; to get them .to organise "a Baptiat School atonpe. . It may be dimonlt, hnt onght 4okdoM :U .. toon u powibU. Ton u . right ia ea&VMBteg fox the Bnoisn in your fleli.1 NoBpti8t church .or , oommunity can flourish without it. ' ' r ' m ' fcrot J, . I.. Smith works tn th old Saacry Creek, and giTes us the , following itema cf labor performed daring hie last two quarieri: Days of labor, 44; lermou prasohed, 37; churches supplied, 3; ontetailoni, 6r prayer taeetlnge attended, 46 famflies and peno&s religiously visited, 82; persons baptied, 8 ; number added by letter, 2. He is 'evidently doing a good work, and the resolta of hisja bora will live after him for ages.; lie tells me of a remarkable family,' whoso head was mar ried at the age of .17, while ids wife was 17. They now number 175 Uring and 25 dead. Of course this includes ' grand-children and great-gid-childrea. He saw nearly all of .them together , and prayed with tbem. . i. Bro. 3, H. Booth reports three weeks' la bor performed at Dallas, with eight eermons preached. He devotes only one-fourth of his time to thia point, btit ia , occupying an ex ceedingly interesting field, and one that is al- aadyyi nixing a rich barrast for the Mastsr. As stated in ' a prSTtons ' article; a good niaoy of the miaaionaries .whose names and libon I feport,Mfe wpported eatfrelj; by Uisir Associations', and others partially so ; bis ror bat thr State Board is reroorudt than ai.OOO. Brethren,' -won't jroa help na to it? Jobs E. XUt, . i 1 . - . . , , - I uiirapismivu ui a uui strut, Muljl . ituyji niDODDd mMd ofLOofl m mnm m it icim ionethe - last 1 in publie, he condemns it (their an- I 'j5.H5.rC -i18 Uf,aiu lu 1U1J.. 1 LSU !:.:' I do not find . that either of .these. blicvnoi for It Hell condfiffiii- ine miracles, in. prorxheej'ins. bv both I ioe their comine to church in an at- men and wonien, .nntil, the close. of I tire at variance wit the established the Arx8tpUc. age.t. Jot v with ithe casfdm of tbe age. lint ill the llto close of jtbe ApostoW office, ,tue gift chapter of thia same jBpistle, Paul or office i of, prophecy oeased." There- give special 'directions a to the are no propnets now, and nave not l manner oiconancungpuuuc worsnip, rtinc nnlv I irrt.. I uvou auj ouico ua ueamoi muud me I uu ta lue trsui u w.u -pieco us believe" evangelists I other churches wake up. of their responsibility in this thing ? It ia putting too much on tbe pastor to leave each work altogether to him and owing, to a thousand reasons, many of which' can be seen at a glance, he la not suited to this work; so well as a committee of lay mem bers. '.Bnt that committee should be prayerfully oboSenl Keep tho leading members, and; the fnssy ' members, out ' Put ; onJ it your- best chris- tians.i-Iief -this committee do its dnty faithfolly; and oven a-.-courting evan geiist ' cannot utterly-rul& - a church; norJ Will one half therbaptlx- thahka likewise- Unto, tbe Lord, and ea neea to De exciuaea aa now. "Ttrothvant will to-nrt fnllnvfhacTim. is willing to take Webster as authori ty on prophesviog, I am willing to take him on judging.); In judging among: Israel she was not compelled to publicly address tbe congregation. And instead of Huldah's addressing a public assembly, we read that she Oaiai gaj- IVIU miibimu- aau is) hui ;kaWM t bor, ghaphah and Asahlah1 what the Lord said cohcernin'g -Israel.-' ",""'1' , Our a attention ia mext called to Anna,7 the prophetess, We are told that 'she of all others was the. first to preach Christ to the people ti j Ahd" coming1 idf annav instant,' sue gave t mt iff, hi dren are.'VIt was not babies py any means to whom he saidexcept ye be eohverteda a .i ! For awhile the ebnrch tried to do a remark of Dr. William Jioopor, of I its dnty Sgaihst tbe credulity of Itr pastor-ana xoe ' Tsnuyine evan gelists, by asking close questions of the converts in open tchurch -meet; ing. Bnt ask what questions they might in the crowd, tbe charch could not obtain: satisfactory evidence of conversion, tilt would take too long Tor all the church, to sit assembled together, ; Besides, there,, was a cou straint on tbe conTeris iujanswering qnestions before so many. JThat plan didnot work at all, Therefore ' the hhurch .appointed a committee of brethren and sisters before whomU RMkinff admission - i6 the I church i i Ti Vaa to1 their preacher;' ahd beat of I mittee iei)0rtQ.the.ehwp$,:iffa0T all. ha waa nine-la Bdt' .When 1 1 able: if unfavorable, , theV yonng are! reachecUfce circuit double Instead of riot jnortified i by jbeing rf jected in B?a aiiij u-ju;iin-t ma erf pie of this wise church, or 4 will- yon do nothing, and let the pretence that Baptist cbttrchsa are composed, of. I baptized f;Anna)M alpne become more a contemptible, hypocrisy than it la nowi ;- or doing notbiDr. aDd letting thinga drift, commend 1 me to i . , i tr . ' . . evangelical vuurouw oi.ue prewut day. :-'. t -t r. r?fiUi n't ,-t-f rvp- For tha Beeorder. -.3 ti ij. rii f t-rt ... l-MVi PICIlNGSjNO.lv; Editor Recorder ; . .vrt wuiyou allow, one . who was prea ent at the Southern Baptist Conven tion in ; Atlanta 1 to" exhibit ' some crumbs he happened to pick p while' . there tlM imi urumo pto.iwas jjr.nawtnornes spake of him to all them that looked for redemption at Jerusalem." :-u Who will condemn thia 1f adds our brotheri: I will not, neither will I admit-that it j f ornisbes any; proof tha( she addreasedqr, harangued a congregation. .ji;"vT x&U .; It eannotKbe known, how j many were in the temple at the time and heard her praises,' and, perhaps, pr e dlcUonsiriiTite priest a was there and his attendants, andaimeon; . also Joseph and Mary t .bnt X do bot.be Have that all were .Dreeentl who looked for. redemption ln' Jersalem'y at that.ume k ; Xt t j ,1 should, never fro ni this example undertake to encourage the 'sisters to TheSvoman bf 'Simaili ts ctteoTa the next proof that" women Ought to preach be went into tna city and said unto tbe men. uome, see a man iectnre onToesday hieht fdrlheben-1 that told me all thin nr that ever I efil of Bdme1 society1 connected "with 1 did &c. 14 Brov P thinka that mt it the'. Second n Baptist ,Chutich ";the t had been: wrong for women, to preach lUcuiO VI nuivu" naa.i uug w utvuaiiuvuiuiiuuiuauiat(MiU thy self ;" It was a very rich crumb,-1 that Christ would have rebhked her and had to be paid for at the rati of I and told her" not to meddletwith men's ousuress," se. -a a - -- Again he says s 's. But . some will say, un, Dut ane. aid ;notj preach ; f.frvfinta tier .head to be quite a select audiem Including your humble , se if every one enjoyea tt as i- -,t :- -- f - ... . . . .i'hjjXj ?iuo?T -fin il-.iw I seemed present, rant, and much u with this one: occasion; but to con tinue to ' all. generation, where the brethren will letthemtw-'i-j Well,: brethren, -suppose too:'? let them." and tet"ns see bow' hii area ment wfliyo.1 Here is tne prophecy: f And your sons and your dauehters shall prophesy and your youBg men shall seevislohsabd yonr old men snail" dream creams,". &evivirj the daughters and handmaidens are still prophesying, Twhera the brethren will let-theni, Kbo"oC jour young men are seeing visional or. of .our old men; are idreamlngL dreams 1 1 Will Bra P-telLuali(B a this, knif cuts too deep,his argument. proves too much. rf iW (.:..... .. :- , 4- h- i W are :remindeds.that I-Pfiscilla' and her hnabaod, -who gave iii truo- uou i toio-poirosj ( arOjCaiieo, pn tne episue to tne , icomansv "feiio Wdieir ersin Christ Jesns. Are, all preach era who- teach, one or. more id the doctrines ot the .Bible, of uVho hra . fellow-helpers" In the work or the Eospeii . xa conaucune: v revival .meeting' sometime' ago,r thd sisters mat x naurana ,nor one or tnem at tempted apulinq xhortatidni lni i , We are also "toio? that the four danghters of 'Philip the evangelist did prophesy."-"' While Paul land his company were in their father's honsey they doubtless- did. predict-me fn- lure event Or.;event84 y But will our good brother teUjjtho aiateri that in - a . . a I inis tney areiwarranteajn.nardngu ihg a pubiioassembly 1 ; n t8h & Our attention- Is gaia. Called to other helpers in the. gospel : "Salute Triphena and Triphosa, who labored in the Jiord, galute Persia,1 who la bored ranch in the Lord." v fiava Bra. P. : " Some will aav thia laboring in the tiord ,Was someper- keen silence in the chnrches j lor It ia not permitted on to them to Speak, but they are com manded to be under obedience, as also saith the law, ; and if they will learn anything, let' tbem ask their husbands at home ; for it is a'sbame for women to speak in the r church." This rule which the Apostle laya down is a positive one : ff Iiet them keep silence la tbe cburcbes , f it is no; permitted unto them to speak ff it. ia a sname ror tbem to speaK in chnrch." 5 This rule certainly forbids thAl nnoakincr in nnhlirt: -;- ui i "" savaliro.r.i The original ureek here - translated to - speak, ? is,' laleo, which is ttrtalk, tOr.speakj to prate, to pratue, to.,DaD0ie, to, chatter, to twitter. j The text may be read thus: It is not permitted to babble or prate. It ia a shame for a woman to; speak (babble, prate or ? chatter) in tbe church." It ia a matter of very little importance to me What opinions lexi cographers may give of the meanings of laleo, or of any other word In the ori ginal, if their opinions do not agree with the sense, m which i nna tne same word used by the sacred writers elsewhere.f.ft.r.f iviv. i Snii In Acts 0j 29, we read : And he (Paul) spake..' boldly in the hame of the Lord ;-f Jeaua." &cx ' . Here We find laleo translated -spake, Jpinti waa boldly preaching the gospel, ;and sot babbling, nor prattling, nor matters ing. hln iHebrewa 0: .19,;WBareadt .For when Moses had spoken (here, is. laleo again) every preceptt to the people according1 to the law-a do not BnDDOse that Moses was bab- i bling or ehattering, so as to diatnrb' the congregation of Israel, f X guess 'reTArrftatrta-w-ffiver waa not: i'ninh. uiuiuatO) uui inn-aviuuii f , .... See Luke Si 6: Then said" he un to them, O fools'; and . slow of ; heart not think so. I rejoice in ibe cooversiOQ of souls by -wliiUvex tnstrwmentality It nfaaiy prospective view of this 'subject, I am clearly con vlocd. ' that il6tbio could be fraught wl.ttrgreater H1 to the cburcbes than for all of God s people to take hold of and enconrage thia new, measure in our land. Noth ing can prove tnoro destructive to a pore Christianity, than manifest: de partures from the plain teachings Of Scripture. --.--" v-: - -.- j . May God help us to be ever an chored to the troth -the whole truth. ' W.: It, O WALTNET. i. , :.l For the Beoorder. " The first Baptist, meeting ever held in ItoOkidgbam . closed on last Sunday night.B -W. 'JL JoBPAir, Biblical Recorder of. May 2UL 1879. . . a - -a ' . Tnis certainly is news to xne orein- ren of the Pee Dee Association, and to most, if not all, the citizens of Rockingham. '"a" : ' ' i i i .When living at liiiesviiie. I preacn ed recularly the 4th Sunday night of eaoh month, ursc mine rresDyienan . 111 - 4 - - f i aa. ' " J -i tt aa at I A ennren ana, aiterwaras in tne court house. My reports as missionary ot the Baotist Bute Convention show that at Rockingham we had received IS members,1 of wbom I baptizea at ' BocWrigham.Bro. T4 B. JTew berry also - had a regular appoint ment in x5.. Jii tne young i oromer meant the ' first Baptist protracted, meetine ever held in : Rockingham, then the. good; citizens of the place can inform him that Bro. T. Harri son and myself held a meeting, night after night, in (hat same' court house Jn liockingnam, last year, - j . i " I have been preacnuig nere ever since last November without any or tranizfttion." W. T. J. i taitlS ittttes These 1I8 ; members of, Cartlege Creek chnrcb were constituted as an arm of that church. ." They kept up a regular Sunday Schooi,which wss or ganized by rtheidWxirpW r. Newberry, and tneytnongas?rney had tome "organization. They had a committee, at work With a Subscrip tion to bund a churchy the chairman of which was Brcv John B4 Coying- toriandJfafal-p they bad several hundred dollars eubferioea ana a 10 tendered then tor that purpose. - It may be that brethren Kewber ry, Harrison and myself are not TBap-, lions Creek Saadsty School. K ; . Sister Herring, the Superintendent of the Sunday 'School at this plaoe, writes abont the fiwaa mora ocmimlAla TO thV Laiitls LatfAd- md have CJoUexaitl aa arood mora tlsui. wa gaavwaa ever waiiea kmm BQbQOL I uunk trery Sanaa drt&ooi shotiid i'l 11 11 1 rif 1 1 on have lbs plan: U 11 IM 0X ij U XM11S foods we oaa have ia out aohoola. . Some Kew SehoolsV : J ...Bro,, Pojton, OC the rElas;' Uoutaki Aa- aooiation. ears: We onaaised .a-Bandav fichooi it Sandy Pialm Ohttrth f oa tie win Sonday ln.'Maroh, wtib Sf ty popUm.- v Also aa- siatad in organlfing one at Zlcm. Ohnrch on the lecond 8andr in (bit moDta (April; with tilrty aotolars; ' The writer introdaoed the 1Tttl Tjeader system to each of tbe aobools and ,tBey1iaTe decided to try it. as they are weak, would be glad for you to lend them some of those old copies ot "Kind Word." This makes fitteeuor twenty new senooia or giniiedinihii BhUs this year, with a pros pect of yat more. ;. . Island Creek Sunday School. - Bro. Graves writes us an interesting ao eount of the organization of this aloe and flourishing School by Bro. J. O. Duke, of WilmiDctoO. Since which tbey hate been in an smallest eonditloa.' T hev had a Christ mas tree last winter, which added very muoh to the interest of the benool, ror it was an eatirely new thing with them, and tbey naa some stirring speeches whioh awakened quite art interest In ths neighborhood.- TheHSta(e8.8. ConTentioB.- a Bro, J-1. Stoner, of the Liberty Associav tion suggesta ThomasvUle as the place to bold the meeting of (he Baptist State 8. 8. Convention. How ie.thia, brethren ? j IrSronVthe Cape' reats-C'-n;;i 1 Bor. W. H.3axnea'wrUei with refereaoe to the 8. S. . Convention t . IttWnk the Ut plan would be for each Association to be di vided into convenient districts, asy i or S churches In each; aad on every th Sunday ia the year have a San day Bohool mass meeting in each district. Form an Assooiational S. 8. Convention to meet ine a year, each Sohool sending 2 or 8 ' tepresentatives. I think this is tbe very thing needed." X think so too.1 Won't yon assist ia organizing one to your AaeociaUon T ,,v Fort taaafag Suaday School, .' fVkotptiflCL irriUe the following in aasw to my letter to fcim t ;. xaa ssk, oan you depend upon me to aid yoa in th work?'-,yza, at all time and no net all circumetanoes when I e&a lend a help ing hand to tbe advancement ef my Masters kingdom. I am but to b; aominaaded, and lnlw other Tinyard do I know how or whera to tabor, but ia - that one' cultivated by tha MitdcmaryaptUt Chunfc' ; . Our school or' chnrth would gladly send you a contribution to aaaist ia the Sunday gobool work, 1mt being located, where we are, ws have to atraia every nerve to pay our paa tor'a aalary, bat hope there! Is a- better day ahead, when eur puWr's expensee will.be less ban aowi Xrfto3' to l advocate a State and . Association! Son-day- Sohool Convention, and am willing to leave the plan of the same hi the hands ot our if I JI as she only spakattojtMineh-.ofifthe , .aonal service toPaulorthebrethrem to believe ail that the prophets have " ry, uaxnsoa ana myseu are no pairjmtcnBw oaaj-. -.. . f ,Tr, .'rJtt'-ts;J . K -7 I Lvc ;,rl u., , M si II : I: 1; I fi L T r r . I, rr to 'f. u.
The Biblical Recorder (Raleigh, N.C.)
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